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This is a lot to digest. I welcome comments before any of this goes on her main page. [[User:Bee Ostrowsky|Bee Ostrowsky]] ([[User talk:Bee Ostrowsky|talk]]) 10:39, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
 
This is a lot to digest. I welcome comments before any of this goes on her main page. [[User:Bee Ostrowsky|Bee Ostrowsky]] ([[User talk:Bee Ostrowsky|talk]]) 10:39, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
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: Wow! Impressive research! Unfortunately, I cannot see your Ancestry links (do they have any way to do sharable permalinks? Otherwise, you have to be a member). The rest seems quite valid. The Crawford connection is another clue. —[[User:Leah Zeldes Smith|Leah Zeldes Smith]] ([[User talk:Leah Zeldes Smith|talk]]) 11:12, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
 
: Wow! Impressive research! Unfortunately, I cannot see your Ancestry links (do they have any way to do sharable permalinks? Otherwise, you have to be a member). The rest seems quite valid. The Crawford connection is another clue. —[[User:Leah Zeldes Smith|Leah Zeldes Smith]] ([[User talk:Leah Zeldes Smith|talk]]) 11:12, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
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:: I've put those documents in [https://photos.app.goo.gl/xwk6uddzhqq9MUDV6 a Google Photos album] for now; not sure if they ought to stay online at that link forever, but you should be able to see them yourself, at least long enough to make copies if you want them. —[[User:Bee Ostrowsky|Bee Ostrowsky]] ([[User talk:Bee Ostrowsky|talk]]) 11:45, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
 
:: I've put those documents in [https://photos.app.goo.gl/xwk6uddzhqq9MUDV6 a Google Photos album] for now; not sure if they ought to stay online at that link forever, but you should be able to see them yourself, at least long enough to make copies if you want them. —[[User:Bee Ostrowsky|Bee Ostrowsky]] ([[User talk:Bee Ostrowsky|talk]]) 11:45, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
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::: Impressive indeed, my hat off. Let me just add here that the Wikipedia discussion was based on [https://books.google.cz/books?id=SilZAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Widderburn+horror%22+%22pen+name%22 Google Books' scan] of "''[[Luna Monthly]]'', Issues 13-31, 1970" – alas, the main Google's indexing is not enough to find the exact issue on Fanac.org; Books claims it to be page 10, but it certainly isn't #13 (which seems to have had rather worse typesetting than that snippet). Still, identifying it "by hand", or eyeballs, shouldn't take more than a couple dozen minutes (which I don't have now).
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::: Also, it says merely "an old [[LASFS]] member (female) under a pen name" without outing her outright; still, the connection seems persuasive. And finally, it's ''not'' really a pen name, is it? The surname Crozetti is pretty unique. But then of course she may have intended a really disguising pseudonym at first (like Rich O'Mahoney, apparently used for the 1967 WWII mmpb ''Merry Christmas, You Bastards''), but then not used it in the end. --[[User:JVjr|JVjr]] ([[User talk:JVjr|talk]]) 06:16, 17 March 2023 (PDT)

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Identifying Lora Crozetti[edit]

This conversation on Wikipedia suggests 'Lora' may have been a nickname or pen name for Ruth.

If so (and I think this pans out), I believe she was born 18 May 1913 as Ruth Gentry Warner to Harry William Warner and Evelyn A. Dae Roberson (née Morgan), who moved from LA to Wisconsin around 1947 with her daughter Mrs. Ruth Krozetti. It looks like she went there to take care of her mom, because in the 1950 census she was back with husband Jay and daughter Jeannette M[argaret].

The 1944 LA County voter list included a Mrs Lora Ruth Crozetti, which ties the first names together.

And Shangri L'Affaires mentioned that "Introduced as '3 generations of fans' were Lora Crozetti, her Mother—Mrs Eva Roberson, and her daughter—Jeanne Crozetti."

So I think Lora Crozetti was Lora Ruth Gentry (née Warner) Crozetti (18 May 1913–24 November 1980), buried with her husband Jay Crozetti (4 August 1915–8 Nov 1952). And I think she was also the author of The Widderburn Horror.

Which... if this Ancestry family tree is accurate, means she was also the sister of Helen Finn.

This is a lot to digest. I welcome comments before any of this goes on her main page. Bee Ostrowsky (talk) 10:39, 16 March 2023 (PDT)

Wow! Impressive research! Unfortunately, I cannot see your Ancestry links (do they have any way to do sharable permalinks? Otherwise, you have to be a member). The rest seems quite valid. The Crawford connection is another clue. —Leah Zeldes Smith (talk) 11:12, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
I've put those documents in a Google Photos album for now; not sure if they ought to stay online at that link forever, but you should be able to see them yourself, at least long enough to make copies if you want them. —Bee Ostrowsky (talk) 11:45, 16 March 2023 (PDT)
Impressive indeed, my hat off. Let me just add here that the Wikipedia discussion was based on Google Books' scan of "Luna Monthly, Issues 13-31, 1970" – alas, the main Google's indexing is not enough to find the exact issue on Fanac.org; Books claims it to be page 10, but it certainly isn't #13 (which seems to have had rather worse typesetting than that snippet). Still, identifying it "by hand", or eyeballs, shouldn't take more than a couple dozen minutes (which I don't have now).
Also, it says merely "an old LASFS member (female) under a pen name" without outing her outright; still, the connection seems persuasive. And finally, it's not really a pen name, is it? The surname Crozetti is pretty unique. But then of course she may have intended a really disguising pseudonym at first (like Rich O'Mahoney, apparently used for the 1967 WWII mmpb Merry Christmas, You Bastards), but then not used it in the end. --JVjr (talk) 06:16, 17 March 2023 (PDT)